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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby N67ER » Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:56 pm

skyhops wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:08 pm
I'm beginning to think that Steele is over his head. His lineups are terrible especially when Q and Carter provide absolutely nothing and we continue to settle for bad three's. In the huddle nothing is made of shot selection or pounding the ball inside. Scruggs is scared to handle the ball and Marshall thinks he is a PG but dribbles like a PF. This is not going to end well, again. Our veterans have disappointed once again.
Carter had 10 points, seven rebounds, one block, one assist and just one turnover. How do you figure that he adds nothing?
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:05 pm

N67ER wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:56 pm
skyhops wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:08 pm
I'm beginning to think that Steele is over his head. His lineups are terrible especially when Q and Carter provide absolutely nothing and we continue to settle for bad three's. In the huddle nothing is made of shot selection or pounding the ball inside. Scruggs is scared to handle the ball and Marshall thinks he is a PG but dribbles like a PF. This is not going to end well, again. Our veterans have disappointed once again.
Carter had 10 points, seven rebounds, one block, one assist and just one turnover. How do you figure that he adds nothing?
Carter did some good things, and his stats looked good, but he missed 3 shots at the rim. Like most of the players....make that all except Jones, his play ebbs and flows. I don't envy Steele having to try and figure it out each game.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby ChitownSteve » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:14 pm

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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:52 pm
X won, despite shooting 23 threes (26% made), having 18 more turnovers, but a 13 rebound lead. The key was the zone, and credit Steele for finally going to it, though way too late. I still don't like the 3 big lineup, especially against SJ, but if they insist on doing it, they need to go to zone from the start. BTW, Rutherford ended up going 1-4 in the 2nd.

AH:

Need to respectfully disagree on your objection to the 3 big line-up. Admittedly, a little fool’s gold, but X has won 4 of its last 5. More notably, Goodin and Moore both had fruitless minutes on the court tonight. Personally, I would not mind if Tandy started and Carter did not. However, in that situation, maybe too little scoring would come off the bench. Tandy does give a real spark.

Scruggs fouled out and Freemantle inserted. Result - Basket, Rebound, 2 FT’s. What if Goodin or Moore were inserted? Would have been a guaranteed loss.

This team is difficult to analyze and watch, yet we do so, hoping to avoid a cardiac event or knocking ourselves out slapping our foreheads. Possibly any starting line-up and substitution package would have us second-guessing as you note about Coach Steele’s dilemma.

You were spot on with the call for a zone.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby xavier71 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:24 pm

I'm beginning to think that no matter what Jason Carter does people are going to find something negative. I didn't bother to count, but I believe there were 3 or 4 posts during the game that were negative. It's been that way all year. He played a good game BUT, His line was good BUT, he only had 1 turnover BUT. I would like people to say 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block and only 1 turnover is a really good game and just leave it at that.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby ChitownSteve » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:30 pm

xavier71 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:24 pm
I'm beginning to think that no matter what Jason Carter does people are going to find something negative. I didn't bother to count, but I believe there were 3 or 4 posts during the game that were negative. It's been that way all year. He played a good game BUT, His line was good BUT, he only had 1 turnover BUT. I would like people to say 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block and only 1 turnover is a really good game and just leave it at that.
Carter made several contributions this evening. Hope that helps his confidence going forward. Carter does deserve a spot in the playing rotation, whether as a starter or early in, off the bench.

There are other Musketeers that are more enigmatic and are relied upon to a greater degree.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby N67ER » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:33 pm

xavier71 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:24 pm
I'm beginning to think that no matter what Jason Carter does people are going to find something negative. I didn't bother to count, but I believe there were 3 or 4 posts during the game that were negative. It's been that way all year. He played a good game BUT, His line was good BUT, he only had 1 turnover BUT. I would like people to say 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block and only 1 turnover is a really good game and just leave it at that.
Amen! I am really looking forward to seeing Carter have a great final year of college basketball next year. He will be comfortable in a way that he has not been this year.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby skyhops » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:42 pm

Didn’t the big lineup ended up winning the game? I still can’t believe how careless we are with the ball and passes. Glad we won.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:00 pm

ChitownSteve wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:14 pm
Anti-Homer wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:52 pm
X won, despite shooting 23 threes (26% made), having 18 more turnovers, but a 13 rebound lead. The key was the zone, and credit Steele for finally going to it, though way too late. I still don't like the 3 big lineup, especially against SJ, but if they insist on doing it, they need to go to zone from the start. BTW, Rutherford ended up going 1-4 in the 2nd.

AH:

Need to respectfully disagree on your objection to the 3 big line-up. Admittedly, a little fool’s gold, but X has won 4 of its last 5. More notably, Goodin and Moore both had fruitless minutes on the court tonight. Personally, I would not mind if Tandy started and Carter did not. However, in that situation, maybe too little scoring would come off the bench. Tandy does give a real spark.

Scruggs fouled out and Freemantle inserted. Result - Basket, Rebound, 2 FT’s. What if Goodin or Moore were inserted? Would have been a guaranteed loss.

This team is difficult to analyze and watch, yet we do so, hoping to avoid a cardiac event or knocking ourselves out slapping our foreheads. Possibly any starting line-up and substitution package would have us second-guessing as you note about Coach Steele’s dilemma.

You were spot on with the call for a zone.
Chi-town,

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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:06 pm

skyhops wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:42 pm
Didn’t the big lineup ended up winning the game? I still can’t believe how careless we are with the ball and passes. Glad we won.
I contend it was the zone, regardless who was in the game. X was a 15 foot shot in the lane falling short from losing the game. SJ going to the rim at will was finally neutralized. They can't play slow.
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Re: SJ Game Thread

Postby Anti-Homer » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:09 pm

xavier71 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:24 pm
I'm beginning to think that no matter what Jason Carter does people are going to find something negative. I didn't bother to count, but I believe there were 3 or 4 posts during the game that were negative. It's been that way all year. He played a good game BUT, His line was good BUT, he only had 1 turnover BUT. I would like people to say 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block and only 1 turnover is a really good game and just leave it at that.
I've been a Carter apologist the whole year, then switched my opinion b/c he is so inconsistent offensively, but to your point, the numbers don't lie. He also had a crucial block and two key boards in the last three minutes as well.

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