Congrats to Pat Kelsey 23-1 headed to March Madness

[muskieman]

As for Pat, I like him too. I do believe he could be an X coach but if you think Travis is wrong because he coached under Miller and Mack then Pat has coached under Skip and Mack (and many think Skip was not a great coach.

If I wanted to go for a new head coach why not Jeff Battle who has experience at X, Wake Forest, and Providence and even got a win this year as the Temporary Head coach of Providence. Head also is a good recruiter as he recruited and developed players like Chris Paul, Jeff Teague, and current Wizard pt guard Ish Smith along with some people we all know in David West and James Posey.

Why not Mark Schmidt, Schmidt has led the Bonnies to an Atlantic 10 Tournament Championship in 2012 and Atlantic 10 regular season championships in 2016 and 2021. He has far more players that have become professional (24) to be exact than Pat. As a player, he played for Gary Williams and Tom Davis It is probably tougher to recruit to Olean NY than South Carolina and he is in a tougher league.

MM, are you planning for a new coach!?!? But what becomes of your agape for Steele?

Never had it. You assume too much. If X could get sure thing head coach I'd take him but like I said thinking Pat is the sure thing is like saying the guy on the bench is always better than the guy in the games which is just silly. Second-guessing coaches is something I don't make a habit of doing even though a coach drives me nuts during the game or after the game with his cliches. On here if everyone hates the head coach there would be no discussion just circle jerking by people who don't stand in the arena and make the calls.

[skyhops]

You think Kelsey could not coach at a higher lever? Have you looked at Steeles record in the BE and against good teams? Kelsey is the biggest competitor you will find and is a great in game manager. Hiring within finally caught up with us and it is not like Steele was in line for a bunch of big time jobs. Steele can't even get calls from the refs because they don't respect him. And let's not even get into his coaching staff. Four years ago we were a number one seed, how things have changed.

[muskieman]

You think Kelsey could not coach at a higher lever? Have you looked at Steeles record in the BE and against good teams? Kelsey is the biggest competitor you will find and is a great in game manager. Hiring within finally caught up with us and it is not like Steele was in line for a bunch of big time jobs. Steele can't even get calls from the refs because they don't respect him. And let's not even get into his coaching staff. Four years ago we were a number one seed, how things have changed.

I did not say I thought Pat could not coach at a higher level and I don't judge Pat in comparison with any other coach.
I judge Pat by what he has accomplished and where and how that success was obtained and if his past within the X coaching staff translates into a head coach at X. So far Pat has a good trend but just as you think Travis should have had more grooming I think Pat still has more to accomplish.

Using your description of the biggest competitor that you can find let me postulate a coach that was a McDonald's all American in high school, played for Duke with a winning record of 87-44 during his playing career, he went on after playing in Poland to being an assistant coach under the Great, the magnificent Coach K (dripping) where he coached the frontcourt players and was in on two NC teams. He was the flavor of the day when he took over the Marquette Job. He was considered one of the biggest competitors in college basketball but has it translated to that much success as a head coach? Certainly, not this year and his tenure has him going to the NCAA but never getting past the first round. That was one of the knocks on Skip who had Pat on his staff, not Coach K. Four years ago we had a coach you hate and hated while he was at X, even while he was the No 1 seed so why you bring that up? After all, even you know that when he left he took the cream of that year's recruiting class.

Using any coach to elevate Pat doesn't make Pat a better coach, or the best coach to hire. Pat's accomplishments make Pat qualified and so far being successful in a lousy league might just make you lucky, after all, Greg Marshall was a prior coach of Winthrop. Your prosecution of comparing coaches to achieve a determined outcome is fraught with speculation. Someday Pat could be a coach but I would have liked him to honor his contract with UMass rather than give up and go back to an easier job. Had he been successful at UMass he would have had me on board as a proponent of him for a head coaching job, maybe even at X. BUT THEN YOU WANT X TO DIP INTO THE FAMILY YET AGAIN.

[Xavier2005]

Hmmm, most teams play weak sisters , at first, to build up their win record before playing in their conference against better teams. YOU put Pat down for beating so called weaker teams. However, X and coach started this year by beating up a bunch of weaker teams and then having a losing record within the BE. So , now we know coach and X can beat up weaker teams and be just so so against stronger programs. Right? So, Pat and Steele are about the same against weak teams?

[muskieman]

Hmmm, most teams play weak sisters , at first, to build up their win record before playing in their conference against better teams. YOU put Pat down for beating so called weaker teams. However, X and coach started this year by beating up a bunch of weaker teams and then having a losing record within the BE. So , now we know coach and X can beat up weaker teams and be just so so against stronger programs. Right? So, Pat and Steele are about the same against weak teams?

WoW you are on a roll of crazy posts. Most teams beat so-called weaker teams because their conferences are dog fights at best. Winthrop's league is made up of the teams stronger teams use as cannon fodder. Look at the records of the teams in Winthrop's league and realize the league is not top-heavy. Sure they make news sometimes when they beat a higher ranked team but those are few.

[Anti-Homer]

Hmmm, most teams play weak sisters , at first, to build up their win record before playing in their conference against better teams. YOU put Pat down for beating so called weaker teams. However, X and coach started this year by beating up a bunch of weaker teams and then having a losing record within the BE. So , now we know coach and X can beat up weaker teams and be just so so against stronger programs. Right? So, Pat and Steele are about the same against weak teams?

WoW you are on a roll of crazy posts. Most teams beat so-called weaker teams because their conferences are dog fights at best. Winthrop's league is made up of the teams stronger teams use as cannon fodder. Look at the records of the teams in Winthrop's league and realize the league is not top-heavy. Sure they make news sometimes when they beat a higher ranked team but those are few.

Mman,

Was this your position (stronger teams use as cannon fodder) about X when they played in the lowly MCC?

[muskieman]

Hmmm, most teams play weak sisters , at first, to build up their win record before playing in their conference against better teams. YOU put Pat down for beating so called weaker teams. However, X and coach started this year by beating up a bunch of weaker teams and then having a losing record within the BE. So , now we know coach and X can beat up weaker teams and be just so so against stronger programs. Right? So, Pat and Steele are about the same against weak teams?

WoW you are on a roll of crazy posts. Most teams beat so-called weaker teams because their conferences are dog fights at best. Winthrop's league is made up of the teams stronger teams use as cannon fodder. Look at the records of the teams in Winthrop's league and realize the league is not top-heavy. Sure they make news sometimes when they beat a higher ranked team but those are few.

Mman,

Was this your position (stronger teams use as cannon fodder) about X when they played in the lowly MCC?

Yep, and there was nothing wrong with it when the league they play in is like the A-10 or especially the BE, ACC, or Big Ten. A good example is the Big Ten this year, every night is a quad one game. After all the #1 team is always playing someone basically inferior to themselves and the best leagues are playing mostly teams inferior. How many quad 1 teams are in the Big South Conference AH? How many are quad 2? X was cannon fodder for years and when they left the MCC they made a quantum leap from low mid-major. The last question do you think Winthrop would have the same record if their diet was Providence, Seton Hall, Nova, St Johns... how about where would they stand in the A-10 playing some of those teams on a nightly basis but be honest?