Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby Anti-Homer » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:53 pm

Sonoma Muskie wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:40 pm
Citing SM’s brief association with Book Richardson is guilt by association.
I’m no relative of SM. Just think a man shouldn’t be convicted in the court of public opinion with no credible evidence.
He does deserve his day in court, but to say there is no credible evidence is just flat wrong. I seriously doubt ESPN would have put out a statement regarding SM discussing being the point person when it comes to recruits and getting paid. I'd love for nothing more than for SM to be innocent because he was a coach at X, and more importantly, he has kids who'll have to put up with a lot of bullsh*^.

However, I wouldn't put money down on his innocence if given 100 to 1 odds.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby kyzrex » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:13 am

xu koop scoop wrote:
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At least we haven't heard of point shaving scandals - yet. I would think the FBI has better things to do like tracking potential serial kilers or terrorists. How about even tracking the NCAA for HUGE payments they may have received from large schools to keep their mouth shut.

Did you see the movie Goodfellows? Did you see the 30-30 report on the point shavings at Boston College in the 70’s? They are connected. The brought down the mob because of an informer that happened to mention the point shavings while being interviewed about mob activities. The FBI wasn’t looking for information on point shaving until the informer mentioned it. They had no idea it was going on, but once the informer mentioned it they had a duty to investigate further. This could be something along the same line. I have no idea why or how this investigation started, but once they become aware of a federal crime possibly being broken, they have an obligation to investigate. It’s up to others in the federal government to decide just how far the investigation will go and if anyone will be indicted or taken to court.

It has not been exactly reveled as to how this investigation got its start, but I have been able to find out that it goes back at least to 2014 and involves someone (unnamed) that has already been convicted of securities fraud and other federal crimes. So I think that there is a good chance that this investigation grew out of a separate investigation that had nothing initially to do with basketball.

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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby longliveskip » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:59 pm

now it's coming out that ESPN reported the wrong dates on these supposed wiretap conversations. didn't even matchup with what the FBI had.

i have a feeling Sean Miller will be coaching at Arizona after all is said and done.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby Sonoma Muskie » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:36 pm

Long live skip, don’t you understand that when a witch hunt I s being conducted the last things wanted are accurate facts.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby oldhoopster2 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:44 pm

now it's coming out that ESPN reported the wrong dates on these supposed wiretap conversations. didn't even matchup with what the FBI had.
Have a link? Can’t find the story.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby Shadow » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:23 pm

oldhoopster2 wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:44 pm
now it's coming out that ESPN reported the wrong dates on these supposed wiretap conversations. didn't even matchup with what the FBI had.
Have a link? Can’t find the story.
I found this one.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby olsingledigit » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:03 pm

Here is a summary of the Sean Miller situation from a good friend and former partner of mine who is a Zona grad and huge fan - The whole rebuttal with Miller hinges on his statement that he will be vindicated. In many minds of the fans on paid bulletin boards, the question is whether Miller is saying that he will be vindicated because the conversation where he allegedly discussed $100,000 did not happen on the phone or if there never was a conversation or if there was a conversation but the offer of $100,000 was never acted upon.

What is clear to me is that the ESPN article by Schlarbach was single sourced and not checked. It likely was not with an FBI representative and it almost feels like in the Watergate film, All the President's Men, where the source was talking in an obtuse fashion and miscommunicated what occurred by hanging up when he should not have. Be that as it may, ESPN then doubled down and allowed its hosts to talk smack about Miller and act like it was a proven fact that he was dirty. It went so far as Jay Bilas calling Miller not only a crook, but a stupid crook. Now ESPN pulled the article (after changing a year reference that made the story even less believable.)

My general view is that College Basketball is inherently dirty and recruiting players is an ugly game with money changing hands a lot. I don't think Miller is that stupid. I think that his assistant coaches Pasternack and Richardson were intermediaries and will get nailed. I think they will remain loyal to Miller, but that is up in the air. What I really think happened is that this 24 year old runner, Dawkins was talking big to Richardson about moving $100,000 to pay Quinnerly in exchange for Arizona's coaches convincing Ayton to go to Dawkin's boss's agency, ASM. I think Miller spoke to Dawkins and said, don't you talk to my assistant coaches about money, I am the head coach. I think he was trying to get Dawkins focused on Miller to let Miller be the focal point and the one who ultimately put the kibosh on any deal with Dawkins. Remember, Dawkins is a 24 year old pissant. I think all the stuff in emails to Dawkins' boss was fluff, trying to impress him.

Regardless, I still think that Miller (as well as Calipari, Coach K, Pittino, Izzo and so many big name and even medium name coaches) have "gentlemen's agreements' to "work together for mutual benefit.' Kind of like a tax CPA who refers work to a financial planner to get work back. Frequently money does not change hands (but I know sometimes is does). Certainly perks are given.

So in the end, I think that Miller might have to go and perhaps with him the whole current system. I think the NCAA amateurism approach is not working and I think that some day (not sure when), while we will continue to provide scholarships and cost of attendance to all players (in most if not all sports), schools will be able to woo those players that they want with actual money. Not all players should be paid, but the free market will take hold. This might change if the NBA backs off of its one and done rule. If they do, I think it will still happen, but will be a slower need for implementation.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby X-Expert » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:30 am

SM was a great coach for X. He inherited an inexperienced team and took the program to a new level. However, at the end of the day, X was a “stepping stone” to him. Yes he struggled with going to Arizona but once he made the leap, had no problem saying whatever to take X recruits (Lexus comment). All good and part of the process. I rooted for him and Zona but beyond that, have no allegiance. My hope is that Sean’s discretions (and I believe they are real) will not trickle down to X. I have no doubt that at this point, there will be major, medium, and minor punishments that will affect many schools. The NCAA has to. Louisville likely will get some major punishments given their pattern of indiscretions. Arizona and all the teams where coaches are tied to agents will certainly get significant penalties. With regards to X, it depends. If Ed and his dad are the only issues and that he accepted $7,000 after enrolling at X and X knew nothing about the relationship, hopefully it will be a minimal punishment. If more indiscretions come out, X will be in serious trouble. NCAA is looking for a pattern of illegal activity. According to the sports writers/broadcasters, any team with existing/past players tied to receiving money from agents will have seasons in which they played (or were on the team) vacated. For X, that would be the last three years. According to reports, Ed first received money while he was a red-shirt freshman. X is on the doorstep of a historical seeding that puts them in an expected position for a FF season, it would be awful to have it vacated a year later.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby Xavier2005 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:20 pm

This current world and sports lives on millions and billions and trillions of $$$$ spent and used for bribes to get things done from top to bottom......college sports gets billions $$ contracts, coaches make millions to tens of millions as salaries, Universities take in tens to hundreds of millions each year from sports....but they do not want to pay the college athlete. The college athlete today is a pawn or slave to the masters over them who are using them for their own profits. Time to consider dumping the NCAA totally and start paying the athletes.....poor kids are not going to starve while they see their coaches and universities rich. A scholarship means nothing because 40% to 70% of the football and basketball college athletes do not graduate.
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Re: Looks like prison time for Sean Miller!

Postby thecoach » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:25 pm

It's likely Sean's fate lies in the hands of Book Richardson. It's pretty likely they have some pretty strong goods on the assistant's who were already arrested, and it's a question of what they give up. Obviously, these deals are made to bypass the head coaches so they can have denial. However, they didn't plan on fed wire taps, just the usual ncaa dribble. The $ has to come from somewhere. Regardless, Sean's gone from Az.

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