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[sweet67]

Perhaps he enjoys being the most respected member of his home town's sports community. Perhaps the relationships he has developed his entire life in Cincinnati are a larger factor in his decision-making process than the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that does not contain any of the other things that make him fulfilled and happy. I hope he stays at X until he retires. His character and background give me hope that this is possible, maybe even probable.

1st sentence I quoted is a stretch.

Mack lost some respect and character points both within X and outside when he decided to bring Eddie Ekiyor to campus. That was absolutely ridiculous.

So clearly Sweet 67 is a UC troll. I don't know why he would come on this board. His team has a SOS 147 and ranked 11th. they have a tough game against CMU Wednesday after that tough first half against south florida. UC should be proud being voted among top 5 mid-majors of 2018.

X-pert.

Your thoughts on the Eddie Ekiyor situation?

[kyzrex]

I very rarely make any comment on recruits, and/or the recruiting or any player for one simple reason.....unless we know ALL of the facts, then our opinions are bound to be flawed. All we know is what others have either said or written. Chances are that none of us have ever met any of the recruits, met their families, or know anything first hand about them. The coaching staff, on the other hand, will have spent hundreds of hours meeting with, talking with, watching, talking to others about them, and doing a though checkout of them. So as far as I’m concerned, if Mack was willing to offer EE, or any other kid a scholarship, then he probsbly had a pretty good idea why it was a good idea......especially when they are so limited in numbers.

[skyhops]

Mack did know that there were some red flags similar to Big Kent, but as it sometime happens it didn't work out since they were not ready to abide by the rules. None of us know the recruits or their family but I do know some close to the program and it is true.

[olsingledigit]

Might have to add Michigan State to the list of schools who might be courting Mack at the end of the year. Just watched the ESPN report on Sexual Assault at Michigan State. Despite Izzo's press conference where he said he is not going anywhere, I will be surprised if he survives the mess at Michigan State.

[mumuskie87]

Might have to add Michigan State to the list of schools who might be courting Mack at the end of the year. Just watched the ESPN report on Sexual Assault at Michigan State. Despite Izzo's press conference where he said he is not going anywhere, I will be surprised if he survives the mess at Michigan State.

Might be a bigger mess than U of L.
And "ol" Roy breaths another sigh of relief down in Chapel Hill.

[Anti-Homer]

I' rather have high caliber teams court him than not. Outside of the dozen or so blue-bloods, few teams are immune to losing coaches. Exceptions are guys like Mark Few, Jay Wright, and Greg Marshall, though JW's program is virtually a blue blood. Few programs outside of the latter have experienced as much success as X has had in the last 20 years. The culture of winning at a high level at X has made it sustainable. They've had two teams who had a fighter's chance to win it all (15's team and this year), which would make them one of the few teams I assume to win both the national cbb tourneys: the NIT in 1960(?), and the now the NCAAs.

The fact that they also always sell out in a state of the art arena, have coaches recruit via a private plane, play in a top tier league, boast a 100% graduation rate (opposite: see Huggins - UC- grad rates) and have been listed as a top 20 program financially by Forbes in consecutive years means there will be a line of high caliber coaches who will throw in their resumes (though many will be potentially great, like Mike White was - not that he would leave Fla now, Dan Hurley, and others) if CM does leave.

The alternative model can be seen from a school 10 times bigger, and 4 miles away. In football, they went after a coach who was being run out of dodge and looking for a place to coach-retire in Tubberville. Then, they get a guy who has reached the sweet sixteen in 15 or so years of coaching once. That's not a typo; once. He has also only won 4 tourney games during that span. That would be a disappoint to some teams outside the top 150. I hope they give him a lifetime contract.

I begrudgingly root for him to reach a certain level of success because it helps X's sos, and so that the program actually generates enough revenue to pay for the Lexus and BMWs guys like Fortson drove, meaning it will be less for the public to have to subsidize. UC has an E-8, FF caliber team this year, but doubt they'll reach it, because of their coach. Love the play of Evans and Clark though.

My only wish is that if a search is necessary, they seek input a group which includes guys like Byron Larkin, instead of Christopher making the decision solely.

AH out.

[sweet67]

I' rather have high caliber teams court him than not. Outside of the dozen or so blue-bloods, few teams are immune to losing coaches. Exceptions are guys like Mark Few, Jay Wright, and Greg Marshall, though JW's program is virtually a blue blood. Few programs outside of the latter have experienced as much success as X has had in the last 20 years. The culture of winning at a high level at X has made it sustainable. They've had two teams who had a fighter's chance to win it all (15's team and this year), which would make them one of the few teams I assume to win both the national cbb tourneys: the NIT in 1960(?), and the now the NCAAs.

The fact that they also always sell out in a state of the art arena, have coaches recruit via a private plane, play in a top tier league, boast a 100% graduation rate (opposite: see Huggins - UC- grad rates) and have been listed as a top 20 program financially by Forbes in consecutive years means there will be a line of high caliber coaches who will throw in their resumes (though many will be potentially great, like Mike White was - not that he would leave Fla now, Dan Hurley, and others) if CM does leave.

The alternative model can be seen from a school 10 times bigger, and 4 miles away. In football, they went after a coach who was being run out of dodge and looking for a place to coach-retire in Tubberville. Then, they get a guy who has reached the sweet sixteen in 15 or so years of coaching once. That's not a typo; once. He has also only won 4 tourney games during that span. That would be a disappoint to some teams outside the top 150. I hope they give him a lifetime contract.

I begrudgingly root for him to reach a certain level of success because it helps X's sos, and so that the program actually generates enough revenue to pay for the Lexus and BMWs guys like Fortson drove, meaning it will be less for the public to have to subsidize. UC has an E-8, FF caliber team this year, but doubt they'll reach it, because of their coach. Love the play of Evans and Clark though.

My only wish is that if a search is necessary, they seek input a group which includes guys like Byron Larkin, instead of Christopher making the decision solely.

AH out.

Not sure what UC has to do with this thread, but nice hit job anyways.

Also, the most of it is incorrect.

Chris Mack has had many more issues with off the court behavior of players than Cronin since they were hired. And if you think X's 100% grad rate is legit, I don't know what to tell you (see: anyone that knew Lenny Brown).

XU shut down their football program down due to lack of fan support.

UC does a pretty good job with theirs:
https://www.valuepenguin.com/2015/08/mo ... ast-decade

Also, take a look at the number and quality of players UC puts in the league.

[muskienick]

They've had two teams who had a fighter's chance to win it all (15's team and this year), which would make them one of the few teams I assume to win both the national cbb tourneys: the NIT in 1960(?), and the now the NCAAs.

XU's NIT Championship was in 1958 with Muskie guard, Hank Stein, winning the MVP Award. Also honored was Joe Viviano who was named to the 1958 NIT All-Tournament Team.

[Anti-Homer]

They've had two teams who had a fighter's chance to win it all (15's team and this year), which would make them one of the few teams I assume to win both the national cbb tourneys: the NIT in 1960(?), and the now the NCAAs.

XU's NIT Championship was in 1958 with Muskie guard, Hank Stein, winning the MVP Award. Also honored was Joe Viviano who was named to the 1958 NIT All-Tournament Team.

Thanks. Just curious, Obviously, they didn't have as many teams, but was it a similar tourney format? How many games did it take to win the championship? I think the equivalent of ESPN bracketologist Joe Lunardi back in the day was John Nash right?

[muskieman]

I do know the stories on both Kelsey and Eddie. Eddie was a behavior problem since he walked on campus and left because he couldn’t follow the rules, that happens. Kenny Frease ripped out a water fountain because they got hosed, they paid for it big deal. Kelsey situation similar to Keith Bostic oh well. X has had their issues no doubt however hardly compares to UC the last 30 years. The stories on Huggins alone?

did Huggs even remember the third last letter in the Alphabet?