Miller introduction

[muskieman]

I guess personal attacks are a way to avoid legitimate questions about our new coach.

What is the difference between Will Wade and Sean Miller?

Our fan base would have rioted had we hired Wade.

this is the difference

[Anti-Homer]

I guess personal attacks are a way to avoid legitimate questions about our new coach.

What is the difference between Will Wade and Sean Miller?

Our fan base would have rioted had we hired Wade. ]But you did much worse. You hired Huggins. If not for the courage of one of the very few good Presidents the school has had in Nancy Zimpher , the felonies, infractions, and 0% grad rate would still reign in Clifton Heights.
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This is the difference

More apropos is this.

https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article ... 176616.php. Cherry on the top was the decade with a 0% graduation rate. They recruited thugs and doubled down and coddled them when arrested as well. It has to hurt when the school 3 miles away, who subsidizes your pathetic sports programs, has more SW 16 wins than UC does in Tourney wins in the last two decades, despite the Steele era.

He has had four days to research and name his fave teachers at X but has no clue how to research them. OK, I'll make it easier: Name the buildings where you had your classes. I think he doth protest too much b/c his quasi-D-2 football team has only four more decent wins than X's football team since teams since 60s.

Even when teams sit 10-14 starters, they still can't compete outside the warmth of a league littered with sub 250 NET football teams. I did hear Tulsa and S Fla are sold out, so avoid Clifton on those days. With the 11,000-seating capacity, if you travel through there right after they beat one of those juggernauts in the last three minutes, you'll be delayed 6-7 minutes in traffic.

Flagship UNLV East. Be proud 03, and watch the school whose students employ you and other UC grads continue to dominate in The Crosstown Shootout with the return of Miller. Hell, even Steele did that. Now go and troll the Navy and E Carolina Boards before you cycle back here. Trolls are welcomed, but ill-informed and uneducated ones are annoying. Obsessing and harboring jealousy towards a school with higher standards across the board is futile. Take heed of this advice. An X grad paying forward to a UC grad once again. A simple Thank You will suffice.

[kyzrex]

AH……”people that live in glass houses should not throw stones”.

I sat with a couple of friends at the UC-XU baseball game on Friday. (which X won 8-7!) One of them, who is a UC grad who didn’t grow up in Cincinnati, asked me why X didn’t have a football team. It was not pleasant to have to explain that they had dropped the program and the various reasons why they had to do that. It brought up painful memories that are also, as a proud alumni of X, somewhat embarrassing. (The Marshall loss which was put up on the movie screen for all to see is especially hard to get over.)
So even if you don’t have any respect for their football program (something I don’t personally understand), at least they HAVE ONE! Probably not a good idea to attack someone over a sport that we were so bad with that we finally just gave up. Just saying.

[skyhops]

Schools like Xavier cannot survive having a football team that makes money just look at UD, Nova, etc. Not sure why it was so unpleasant explaining. The program was not making money and was not supported well. Oh well.

[muskieman]

X almost closed its doors in bankrupcy was the reason it dropped football. I was on the search committee that brought Robert W. Mulligan to Xavier although I was in the minority that thought we could do better. He was a nice enough guy but his job was to trim the budget and the biggest thing to trim was football. I remember him sitting with the committee and telling us that we needed to get rid of a big drain on the budget which was football. I am sure if there had not been some strong basketball vices he might have cut or diminished basketball as it was drawing about 200-300 people per game. As I was almost out the door I had little effect on the rest of the committee.

If it wasn't for Bill Daily X basketball may never have survived. He was able to keep basketball afloat until that fateful winter day in 1979 when he brought the man(Robert John Staak) that would turn around the dark ages of Karjack, Campbell and Baker and make X a place that good young coaches would want to come, not retreads and warm bodies.

[Anti-Homer]

AH……”people that live in glass houses should not throw stones”.

I sat with a couple of friends at the UC-XU baseball game on Friday. (which X won 8-7!) One of them, who is a UC grad who didn’t grow up in Cincinnati, asked me why X didn’t have a football team. It was not pleasant to have to explain that they had dropped the program and the various reasons why they had to do that. It brought up painful memories that are also, as a proud alumni of X, somewhat embarrassing. (The Marshall loss which was put up on the movie screen for all to see is especially hard to get over.)
So even if you don’t have any respect for their football program (something I don’t personally understand), at least they HAVE ONE! Probably not a good idea to attack someone over a sport that we were so bad with that we finally just gave up. Just saying.

The irony is that the reason the program survived, is b/c taxpayers like XU alum had to subsidize the putrid product for decades. They finally, after a century, have a decent product, but not the championship caliber team their delusional fanbase thinks they are. I think it is a Top 25-30 team for sure. I admit it: AH is a huge closeted , UC Fball fan. However, they win because they play in a league where lineman are smaller than those found on GCL teams, and have wide receivers who can only beat Mman in the 40 yd dash in a photo finish.

X has 10% of the enrollment base as UC's, and 1/10k of the alumni. Damn selectivity for admittance foils us again! They could not even fill their tiny stadium until a few years ago, to the point where they had to leverage attendance to their almost equally underwhelming Bball program (5 Tourney wins in two decades?) to force people to go to their football games.

I like Coach Fickell, and really admire Ridder. However, just like the basketball program, who was the Butler of the BE, UC can only thrive in a league populated by quasi D-2 schools. Please don't contort the narrative that Houston was any good. They got throttled by one of the worst teams in the B12, and built their lofty record by defeating teams in a low, mid-major league. It is why their best team by far, my beloved Cats, couldn't beat GA, who sat a dozen starters two years ago, and lost to Bama who were missing a number of starters due to injury (including their best two wide receivers), in a contest where Bama never sweated, and could have won by five TDs, if UC didn't play prevent the whole game.

Again, as a closeted UC FBall fan, I hate this cold bucket of water I had to pour over myself this morning to snap me back into reality. Despite my theory which strains credulity that UC could be a top three team in most Big 6 schools, the reality is they could in one: The Pac 10. Nothing wrong with that. I only think a handful of mid-majors could say the same.

As far as X not having a football school, most universities with a small alumni base and enrollment due to the high price tag, stringent, academic and holistic criteria for admittance, and a sense of reality cannot. It ain't like basketball, where smaller , academic, focused schools can thrive, flourish, and excel: Xavier, Zags, Nova, and Duke, for example.

Law of averages has been very late and cruel to my beloved Cats football team. They need to fatten up now. Even though they will go to a diluted B12 League in a couple of years (without their historically, top two football teams in OKL and Texas) it will still be a major upgrade from the AAC. I think the new league will even be better than the Mountain West. This X Board Mod certainly hopes so.

[PT71]

AH……”people that live in glass houses should not throw stones”.

I sat with a couple of friends at the UC-XU baseball game on Friday. (which X won 8-7!) One of them, who is a UC grad who didn’t grow up in Cincinnati, asked me why X didn’t have a football team. It was not pleasant to have to explain that they had dropped the program and the various reasons why they had to do that. It brought up painful memories that are also, as a proud alumni of X, somewhat embarrassing. (The Marshall loss which was put up on the movie screen for all to see is especially hard to get over.)
So even if you don’t have any respect for their football program (something I don’t personally understand), at least they HAVE ONE! Probably not a good idea to attack someone over a sport that we were so bad with that we finally just gave up. Just saying.

The reason for the demise of the FB program at X, was primarily due to the finances side of it...it IS THE most expensive sport to underwrite at the D1 level. When I was at X, we had football...the stadium (where the soccer field is now), was in dire need of replacing, we did not belong to a conference, the program was competitive, but it was a tough sell to recruits particularly due to antiquated facilities...never did I understand it to be because we were inferior. Did my MS in '73, graduated in '74...NEVER did I hear any rumblings because we couldn't compete.

[PT71]

All of you youngins' pay particular attention toe the recollection of Muskieman, cuz he speaketh the truth. I graduated undergrad in '71 and earned my MS in '74, and the primary reason for saying bye to football was financial! In addition, the facilities were in dire need of replacing.

[kyzrex]

I totally understand the financial aspect of it….I was there, I suffered through it, I was heavily involved in the financing of a different sport that ultimately got cut too…..I’ll also say that XU football really wasn’t very good either. Perhaps that had something to do with the financial aspects too? People like to watch winners, losers very rarely draw well. There certainly wasn’t the TV money back then that there is now. Programs had to rely on the gate to support the program. Or donors, and donors don’t usually support losing programs either. I did explain that all to the UC fan I was sitting with. They understood, but none of that is what I would call solid ground upon which to talk bad about anyone else’s program…especially one that is doing as well as UC’s is.

I’ll still contend that AH needs to accept the reality of UC football as it is TODAY. Small and slow my a$$. All you need to do is look at the numbers from the combine and from the UC pro day and you can see that the top UC athletes are every bit as good and talented as anywhere else. Do they play in the best league? No. Do they have the depth that some of the other programs do? No. But just because they are not the best of the best is no reason to say the things that AH consistently does about them. Especially to a UC person that XG2003 appears to be. They are still better than all but the top 15-20 programs in the country, and that’s a pretty good place to be.

[muskieman]

All of you youngins' pay particular attention toe the recollection of Muskieman, cuz he speaketh the truth. I graduated undergrad in '71 and earned my MS in '74, and the primary reason for saying bye to football was financial! In addition, the facilities were in dire need of replacing.

while the stadium was crumbling it was still a great place on a Saturday in the fall as we were pummeled by the likes of mac teams Kent, Toledo, Ohio, Miami, but we did have two wins over the Quantico Marines my first two years and were destroyed in my last two years. During my stay at X we were like 5-35-1 with the first three seasons 1-9 so when we were 2-8 in 72 we were like in heaven. i always sat at the top of the stadium for security against beer cans and food items thrown during the games.