Dominance, pure and simple

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Dominance, pure and simple

Postby muskieman » Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:56 pm

9 straight at Cintas
3 straight wins
7 of last 9
18 wins in the last 26

closing in on 3 decades of dominance

UC is starting to get the feeling Dayton has about not winning At Cintas

Highlights
December 11, 2021 - Xavier blowout of bearkittens 83-63 Jack Nunge dominates with 31 points and 15 rebounds 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block in 29 minutes

February 18, 2015 – Xavier led by 12 at halftime, but Cincinnati roared back to take a late lead. Senior guard Dee Davis hit a clutch 3-pointer with 52 seconds left and Trevon Bluiett knocked down a pair of free throws in the closing seconds to give XU a 59-57 victory.

December 13, 2009 – The only double-overtime game in Crosstown Shootout history saw Xavier defeat No. 19 Cincinnati, 83-79. Jason Love hit the game-winning free throws with 9.8 seconds left on the clock.

February 3, 2004 – Lionel Chalmers hits the go-ahead shot with 27 seconds left as Xavier upset No. 10 Cincinnati 71-69 at Cintas Center.

December 14, 2000 – With 35 seconds left in the game and Xavier trailing, Lloyd Price stole the ball from UC star Steve Logan and drove for a lay-in to help XU to a 69-67 win over No. 17 Cincinnati.

December 18, 1999 – Three years after Lenny Brown shocked UC, Kevin Frey scored on a breakaway layup with 12 seconds left and Xavier hung on for another upset win over Kenyon Martin and the No. 1 ranked Bearcats, 66-64.

November 26, 1996 – Lenny Brown sank a running jumper in the lane to stun No. 1 Cincinnati at the buzzer, 71-69

January 31, 1990 – Xavier spoiled the Crosstown Shootout debut of UC head coach Bob Huggins as Jamal Walker buried a 3-pointer with seven seconds to go, giving the Musketeers a 90-88 win in overtime.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby yellow20xd » Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:52 pm

Pretty much sums it up... Go X!!!... Dan
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby Sonoma Muskie » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:34 pm

Although I want to see Xavier win every Shootout game on into eternity, it would be better for all parties if UC finds some young, aggressive upstart coach to rebuild their bb program to its former greatness so that the rivalry regains some sort of parity. Cincinnati, the tri-state region & both schools would benefit more from healthy, competitive tradition rather than apathetic annual blood bath.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby pdxmuskie » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:53 pm

I am very much in favor of UC rebuilding a strong BB program. I would however like to maintain the current Xavier dominance in the head to head. I would also love to bring back UD into a yearly game as well as OSU.

I don't want to hear how UD fans are terrible, etc. Some XU fans are the same toward other team's fans. It happens everywhere.

I do not want to be OSU where you refuse to schedule a team out of fear. If X doesn't schedule UD, it is out of fear. We don't need to play OSU but consistently winning that matchup is meaningful to much of the state. Most of Ohio assumes OSU is better most years. That is likely not true but can only be proved on the court. Add UD to the schedule and do a media blitz if OSU refuses to play. Make it an Ohio Tournament and add other teams based on prior year results. That doesn't guarantee a matchup with UD, OSU and UC each year but best teams will paly one another.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby muskieman » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:56 pm

UD never. Not worth the trip and to hell with they are just up the road. UD pissed on X and X owes them nothing even though we helped them into the A-10. I can think of a dozen other teams I'd rather play
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby olsingledigit » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:07 pm

muskieman wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:56 pm
UD never. Not worth the trip and to hell with they are just up the road. UD pissed on X and X owes them nothing even though we helped them into the A-10. I can think of a dozen other teams I'd rather play
Spot on MM. some simply do not understand how bad UD has been to X. I have felt it personally. No way do I ever want them on our schedule and certainly not in the Big East.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby pdxmuskie » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:28 am

Are you both ok with OSU not playing X? If yes, then I support your opinion of not playing UD.

I have read posts here complaining about how OSU refused to play X. Recently I read how X should never play UD. To me, this is sad and pathetic.

I have no interest in UD joining the BE. It made some sense when they were playing at a high level. It may make sense at some point in the future but that is not the discussion. This is about pressuring OSU to play X. create a tournament or simply play the next best Ohio teams and make a big deal about how OSU refuses to play. Hard to do that if you refuse to play another program.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby pdxmuskie » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:31 am

I realize X doesn't need to play OSU but it could be a huge advantage if X proves to be the better program. There are certainly OSU players that X wouldn't mind having. The proven dominant team would certainly have a better shot at those players. Initially a lesser impact as families have their preferences but over time people gravitate toward winners.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby X-Expert » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:48 am

pdxmuskie wrote:
Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:31 am
I realize X doesn't need to play OSU but it could be a huge advantage if X proves to be the better program. There are certainly OSU players that X wouldn't mind having. The proven dominant team would certainly have a better shot at those players. Initially a lesser impact as families have their preferences but over time people gravitate toward winners.
Don't disagree but if you look at X OSU this year, I would say Liddell was the best player on the court and the next best 3 players were from X.
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Re: Dominance, pure and simple

Postby AirJordan » Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:30 am

pdxmuskie wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:53 pm
I am very much in favor of UC rebuilding a strong BB program. I would however like to maintain the current Xavier dominance in the head to head. I would also love to bring back UD into a yearly game as well as OSU.

I don't want to hear how UD fans are terrible, etc. Some XU fans are the same toward other team's fans. It happens everywhere.

I do not want to be OSU where you refuse to schedule a team out of fear. If X doesn't schedule UD, it is out of fear. We don't need to play OSU but consistently winning that matchup is meaningful to much of the state. Most of Ohio assumes OSU is better most years. That is likely not true but can only be proved on the court. Add UD to the schedule and do a media blitz if OSU refuses to play. Make it an Ohio Tournament and add other teams based on prior year results. That doesn't guarantee a matchup with UD, OSU and UC each year but best teams will paly one another.
Completely with you on bringing back U.D. Hate those Mother****ers and that is a key ingredient in any rivalry. Many on this board oppose, ostensibly because of past U.D. transgressions. But, it could be some are just fearful that a renewed rivalry with U.D. might become too competitive.

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