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Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:56 am
by ChrisBurch08
In Ken Pomeroy's "luck" index. Three A10 teams (Richmond, STL and UD) are in the top 10. This basically is a conclusion that these A10 are "outperforming" themselves in terms of # of wins compared with the offensive/defensive efficiency indexes that are used to predict outcomes.

If you're looking for a good example of what an "unlucky" team looks like, consider Notre Dame's squad of 05-06.
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog ... the_irish/

For the statistically curious/nerdy, KenPom calculates luck as, "the deviation in winning percentage between a team’s actual record and their expected record using the correlated gaussian method. The luck factor has nothing to do with the rating calculation, but a team that is very lucky (positive numbers) will tend to be rated lower by my system than their record would suggest."
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog ... planation/

For an explanation of correlated gaussian method (just fancy word for a "bell curve") check out: http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/BellCurve.html

Teams that are statistically "lucky" basically win more games than their offensive and defensive indexes predict. I've always found KenPom to be excruciatingly thorough and remarkably accurate in terms of his ratings system, so the fact that his "luck" calculation is not used in his rating calculation suggests that he doesn't let statistical analysis affect his ratings -- luck is an observation, but not a direct variable. To factor it in would be statistical double-jeopardy by using the same numbers twice in his calculation, similar to using overlapping factors like TO's and, say, shot clock violations. But if you consider it to be an accurate observation, you can apply it to teams that seem to be playing far outside their statistical averages -- you just can't apply it to the kenpom ratings.

In conclusion, dayton sucks and they're a bunch of lucky SOB's.

NB: Xavier is ranked 150th out of what, 340 teams? so we're almost perfectly average in terms of overall "luckiness."

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:23 pm
by bluegrass
"The Luck Index"? Now I've heard it all.Ol' Ken P needs to get a life or maybe channel all this extra time and energy toward solving world hunger.

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:53 pm
by Goodenchiladas
bluegrass wrote:"The Luck Index"? Now I've heard it all.Ol' Ken P needs to get a life or maybe channel all this extra time and energy toward solving world hunger.

"Luck" is the deviation of actual winning percentage from expected winning percentage, where expected winning percentage is a function of points scored and points allowed.

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:17 pm
by CarlosTheJackal
I was always taught that luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

Obsession, on the other hand, is when three of the five most popular threads here are about a team we don't play for 3 weeks, and we have beaten 9 of past 12, or something like that.

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:32 pm
by Masterofreality
CarlosTheJackal wrote:I was always taught that luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

Obsession, on the other hand, is when three of the five most popular threads here are about a team we don't play for 3 weeks, and we have beaten 9 of past 12, or something like that.
Word.

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:41 pm
by Goodenchiladas
CarlosTheJackal wrote:I was always taught that luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

Obsession, on the other hand, is when three of the five most popular threads here are about a team we don't play for 3 weeks, and we have beaten 9 of past 12, or something like that.
13 of the last 16. But who's counting?

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:36 am
by joeybaloney
well done, carlos. well done.

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 am
by MuskieSuperFan
Yeah I'm with Carlos on this one. I'm tired of us even comparing ourselves to Dayton. They are terrible and have been so for quite sometime. Clearly we are the class of the A-10, so why waste the energy even talking about them all the time? It serves us no purpose. Personally, I wonder what we would do against the North Carolina's, Dukes, and Memphis's of the world. Those are the teams, I want Xavier to play and beat!!!

Re: Dayton comes in at #10...

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:24 am
by Filthy Chilean
MuskieSuperFan wrote:Yeah I'm with Carlos on this one. I'm tired of us even comparing ourselves to Dayton. They are terrible and have been so for quite sometime. Clearly we are the class of the A-10, so why waste the energy even talking about them all the time? It serves us no purpose. Personally, I wonder what we would do against the North Carolina's, Dukes, and Memphis's of the world. Those are the teams, I want Xavier to play and beat!!!
I don't think its so much comparing X to dayton rather pointing out their inferiority. It's more helping ud fans understand the simple fact is their program is being flushed into the Great Miami (aka dump sewage runoff) and should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as Xavier.