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PDoc & UC

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:54 pm
by Anti-Homer
I like PDoc, and think he is one of the best sports writers in the country. I'm sure many on this board who don't like him now, as he is a Mick Cronin -UC apologist, loved him when Skip P was our coach, and he was a shill for X due to their personal friendship. I emailed him after the Brawl, and told him while I respected his writing skills, I was embarrassed for him when he pitied Gates for crying on the dais (yes, the same one who sucker punched KFrease and could have killed him, literally), while not showing effusive praise for the ONLY player who showed any class and grace, Kenny Frease. He could have easily filed charges against Gates, and that other UC player who stomped on hi while he was dazed on the ground, but didn't.

That should have been the focus of that ugly event, as almost everything else was shameful and grandstanding, particularly Mick claiming he told UC players to take their jerseys off. He is still complimentary of X, but hasn't critiqued Mick & UC with the objectivity befitting them. MicK has been at UCfor 11 years, but I don't think it's fair to judge him on the 1st three. because he inherited Chernobyl. However, in 8 years, UC has made the tourney 7 times, with only 1 Sw 16 win.

PDoc implored UC fans not to blame Mick after losing to UCLA, as he said FSU wouldn't wouldn't have had a shot against UCLA. On the surface, that seemed that a veiled shot against X, but I don't think so. He was making the point that those comparing UC to XU's path should understand UC's was harder; and it was. I even said myself when the draw came out, I'd much rather play FSU rather than UCLA.

That being said, X just beat the team who beat UCLA twice this year. I'll be curious to see how he analyzes that in context when evaluating X's run after the season. I'm still a big fan of PDoc, and I trust he'll give CM & X the credit deserved for one of the greatest runs since X's last improbable one in 04.

Seacrest out.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:08 pm
by muskieman
drinking again AH? Remember you promised your better half that you would not drink when he was not around to control you.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:14 pm
by Anti-Homer
muskieman wrote:drinking again AH? Remember you promised your better half that you would not drink when he was not around to control you.

What part did you take exception to? The part when I said KFrease was the only person who showed any class or grace, or the part when I said X beating AZ, the same team who beat UCLA 2x, validates who has had the superior run? It's a very pro XU piece. I know you ain't Gore Vidal, but I thought even you would be able to connect the dots on this one.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:08 am
by xu koop scoop
Seriously, I get reprimanded for mentioning S Carolina & bathroom laws & then posters go on a personal tirade about Paul Daugherty's writings.
Lets stick to the basketball games, their results & upcoming games.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:39 am
by tacitus
xu koop scoop wrote:Seriously, I get reprimanded for mentioning S Carolina & bathroom laws & then posters go on a personal tirade about Paul Daugherty's writings.
Lets stick to the basketball games, their results & upcoming games.
You were not reprimanded. When the thread turned political, it was appropriately moved to another forum.

This thread is about how the local sports beat writer is covering X. This belongs in the Xavier Men's Basketball forum.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:03 am
by XU80
Doc, the Russians hacked into the Bracket and gave Xavier a favorable bracket and screwed UC......

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:09 pm
by mumuskie87
XU80 wrote:Doc, the Russians hacked into the Bracket and gave Xavier a favorable bracket and screwed UC......
Yea...now we have the "real" story. No "fake" news.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:15 pm
by mumuskie87
I like PDoc as a writer, especially when he writes about his family, his upbringings and the 2 semi-pro teams in Cincy - Reds and Bungles.
IMO, he plays to the crowd when it comes to X vs. UC.
My guess is for every X grad in Cincy there is probably 7 to 8 UC grads (based on enrollment figures).
Bigger audience of UC grads so don't want offend them too much.
I give him credit...he does put his email address out there so anyone can write and express their opinions to him.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:12 pm
by Anti-Homer
mumuskie87 wrote:I like PDoc as a writer, especially when he writes about his family, his upbringings and the 2 semi-pro teams in Cincy - Reds and Bungles.
IMO, he plays to the crowd when it comes to X vs. UC.
My guess is for every X grad in Cincy there is probably 7 to 8 UC grads (based on enrollment figures).
Bigger audience of UC grads so don't want offend them too much.
I give him credit...he does put his email address out there so anyone can write and express their opinions to him.

When I wrote to him after the brawl, I told him how much I respected him as a writer but asked why he decided to make a remorseful Gates, who committed a felony, the hero, as opposed to K Frease, who was acting as a peacemaker when he was sucker punched. He said he understood my side as an XU fan, and said he also gets emails from the Bearcat faithful when he writes a pro-XU piece as well. He did say he is a fan of both programs, and he has never written a piece w/o getting criticized. He disagreed with me that Cronin was grandstanding, but said he appreciated my perspective.

I'm sure he was inundated with hundreds if not thousands of emails that weekend, but he answered mine. That speaks volumes about the guy. He also put Skip on a pedestal despite the mediocrity the program descended into under his watch. I remember walking out of the library one day and Skip Prosser, who was walking a recruit and his dad around took the time to ask me how my day was going. I was surprised he even acknowledged me since he was busy trying to woo a prospect.

P Doc understood as most X fans did, that very few coaches earn the right to be judged a little differently than others. Skip earned that right in my opinion.

Re: PDoc & UC

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:09 pm
by Theology73
PDoc is extremely talented and we are lucky he chose to stay in Cincinnati considering all the offers he's had over the years. Thank Cincinnati Children's Hospital and their treatment of Jillian the Great as well as the supportive Downs Syndrome group in town. So many professionals have moved here to work and choose to stay. Must be something valuable about Greater Cincinnati.