Butler

[kmcrawfo]

How many players does Butler have/had who are playing in the NBA?

How many years in the past 25, has Butler qualified for the NCAA tourney?

I don't know, don't feel like looking it up

What is the average ranking of Butler recruits, and who are they competing with for these recruits?
Xavier, IU, Purdue, Miami, Dayton, etc. same as XU

When a Butler coach leaves, what conferences/type of schools do they tend to get offers from?
Nebraska-B 12, Iowa-Big 10
oh yea, but thad stopped for an profitable cup of coffee at X before OSU. where do x's coachs go, BIG 6, as well.

I mean really, Butler has a nice team this year, and has a great 2-year run. However, their program as a whole is no where in the same league as Xavier. Butler is to Xavier and much as Xavier is to UNC/Duke. Sure some years we may have team that can compete with UNC/Duke, but as a whole is pretty obvious which program is superior....

Xavier to UNC/DUke, LOL, yeah great 2 year run, 2 sweet 16's in the last 5 year,

You are to douche, as duke is to unc

Butler is to top10, which X is not

X is a loser to an under .500 mid-major (MIAMI-OH), Butler is not

This idiot didn't look up any of his information before posting this. If you were to actually compare NCAA appearance, NBA players, the schools coaches leave for, facilities, resources, attendance, records the last 2 decades, and recruiits Xavier would come out ahead (it is not even close) in every catagory.

Wow, I am from Indy, and a lot of my close friends attended Butler, whom I usually cheer for. However, a fool like this really puts a bad name on the school. No one here is saying anything negative about Butler, they have a good program. Just be realistic and don't compare yourself to programs you don't compare to. There are only 15-20 programs in the entire country that can compare to Xavier's success, recruits,facilities, NBA players, etc... Butler is not one of them.

Even Forbes Magazine, listed Xavier as the 25th most valuable program in the NCAA (it was the only non big 6 school in the top-25). So, get some real numbers with some real comparisons, or drop this silly argument.

KC

[xuhuh!]

Butler is and has been a solid program, one that Matta quickly left for a recognized program, Xavier. Other than Butler being in the same general region of the United States as XAVIER my only other appreciation is Hinkel Fieldhouse as it's featured on "HOOSIERS". My hope is that the outstanding program, Butler University, sees it's great coach named as the next coach at INDIANA. The move would be easy. We at Musketeer Madness are campaigning hard for that!

[Biff Tannen]

I can't believe I just read through 7 pages of a a few buttheads argue over how overrated butler is. Okay, Butler is overrated. I am sure there are reasons that X can be overrated too. Last time I checked only one team can be rated accurately and that is at the end of the tournament. So quit [expletive] about it.

So go head and call me a UC fan now.

[xuhuh!]

I can't believe I just read through 7 pages of a a few buttheads argue over how overrated butler is. Okay, Butler is overrated. I am sure there are reasons that X can be overrated too. Last time I checked only one team can be rated accurately and that is at the end of the tournament. So quit [expletive] about it.

So go head and call me a UC fan now.

I can't believe you read 7 pages either. It's best to speed read to sort out the stupid, meaningless, whining and only read the valuable comments. Will save time.

[Filthy Chilean]

kmcrawfo, I hate to dispute you but wasn't X rated the 20th most valuable program?

[kmcrawfo]

kmcrawfo, I hate to dispute you but wasn't X rated the 20th most valuable program?

I just went and looked it up, and you are right Xavier was #20.

Forbes only listed the top-20, not 25.....

Thanks for the correction. Xavier Hoops is even more valuable than I had thought!

KC

[xudash]

kmcrawfo, I hate to dispute you but wasn't X rated the 20th most valuable program?

Yes. Forbes focused on the Top 20 programs, but it is a valuable point to make, and another nail in Butler's coffin as far as this discussion is concerned. If I recall correctly, Xavier is the only non-BCS school that made the Forbes ranking.

"I don't know, don't feel like looking it up." Please admit that you are simply a Butler fan and not a Butler graduate. You are a total fool for admitting that, or you are lazy, or you know you can't win the argument on merit, which is the case by the way, so you simply cop out with that classic of all tool-based strategies: play dumb and ignorant and defend a position based on opinion and disjointed thought.

All this reminds me of what it felt like when the announcement came through that Xavier would be moving to the A10. At that time, in that moment the move was regarded as huge for Xavier, as it should have been. Real separation began with that change. Butler was left behind to become the top dog of a depleted conference. Butler has done well overall with the cards dealt it. It has a respectable program. But its margin for error is razor thin.

[kmcrawfo]

kmcrawfo, I hate to dispute you but wasn't X rated the 20th most valuable program?

Yes. Forbes focused on the Top 20 programs, but it is a valuable point to make, and another nail in Butler's coffin as far as this discussion is concerned. If I recall correctly, Xavier is the only non-BCS school that made the Forbes ranking.

"I don't know, don't feel like looking it up." Please admit that you are simply a Butler fan and not a Butler graduate. You are a total fool for admitting that, or you are lazy, or you know you can't win the argument on merit, which is the case by the way, so you simply cop out with that classic of all tool-based strategies: play dumb and ignorant and defend a position based on opinion and disjointed thought.

All this reminds me of what it felt like when the announcement came through that Xavier would be moving to the A10. At that time, in that moment the move was regarded as huge for Xavier, as it should have been. Real separation began with that change. Butler was left behind to become the top dog of a depleted conference. Butler has done well overall with the cards dealt it. It has a respectable program. But its margin for error is razor thin.

I'll help him out:

Butler NCAA Tournament Appearances in the last 20 years - 6 (97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07)

Xavier NCAA Tournament Appearances in the last 20 years - 16 (86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 93, 95, 97, 98, 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 07)


Xavier:
In Tourney 16
Games Won 12
Rd 32- 10
Rd 16- 2
Rd 8- 1

Butler:
In Tourney 6
Games Won 5
Rd 32- 3
Rd 16- 2
Rd 8- 0

Yup, Butler sure is right with Xavier in terms of NCAA success.... Give me a break.

[zander816]

According to StanleyOwnsYou, he says "Anyways, they don't have an offense and play lousy defense. I would love to play this team in the tourney."

You guys are saying that Butler fans don't do there research, well tell this guy to do his research. Try guarding us if you think Butler has no offense. As of a week or so ago, Butler was 4th in the country in fewest turnovers per game with 10.8. They may not put up a lot of points but that is because of the stlye of offense they run. As for playing "lousy defense," that could be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. If their defense was so bad, then why are they rated in the top 10 in the nation in scoring defense at about 58 points per game? Xavier is a solid team, but they would not "handedly" beat Butler. They would be lucky to even win.

[_LH]

XU would beat BU by 20 plus at Cintas and by 8-10 at Hinkle.