Transfers

[Xpert]

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Two people left the program. We were the third school from which Chandler decommitted; maybe, just maybe, the problem is with him and not X. DSR's case has been well covered; maybe he comes back, maybe he doesn't. Taken in their totality - and in the context of the program's recent success and the current composition of the roster - I don't find these four events to be that concerning or frankly even very puzzling. Like baseball trades that involve all-stars for prospects, a recruiting class can't be judged after one year. This doesn't mean I think Mack hit a home run with this group, just I don't think we should bury him for discouraging early returns. The jury is still out.

I concur. Chandler not coming to X was a good thing. Canty, was more than likely gonna to be pushed down the depth chart and decided to leave. Latham was apparently homesick, and even admitted to not putting in the requisite work (which, besides the academic issue also explains his lack of PT this year). We still may get DSR, but I don't think we can fault Mack for him being pressured by his family to de-commit. Of course some of these events are disappointing but hardly worth losing our heads over. Why this is hard to grasp is beyond me.

[muskieman]

My take, for what it is worth. As an aside, Xavier transfer Adrion Graves ended up playing for the same school I did. I was considerably more excited to make that team than he was.

In response to your article in the XE, I disagree about your assessment of Latham being like Brown. i think he was suppose to be the absolute antithesis of Brown. Brown's offense was mainly face up, and scored the bulk of his points on the perimeter, or driving to the hole.

Latham, from what I understood, was an athletic big (more in the mold of Jamel Mclean) who scored primarily in the paint (back to the basket), either on the block or tipping in a miss.

Also, IMO, implying that the coach is not culpable AT ALL for transfers is extremely short sighted. It's ironic that we wax poetic about CM's ability to recruit players, but say he has no influence when they leave. If this is true, every coach in the country would like to get that perpetual "get out of jail free card". I'm not saying the departures are CM's fault, but 2 tranfers and 2 "de-commitments" in one year is puzzling and concerning to me.

For thos who disagree, I wonder how many of the latter jumped on the "Blame Gregory Bandwagon" when Staten left Dayton, claiming he didn't develop players. Staten had a very solid season, and if he didn't develop, what does that say about McKenzie, Latham, and Canty?

Chris had Jeff Robinson contribute almost nothing his 1st year but last year, his second, he improved significantly and was important in a number of games. Canty and Latham we will never know. Griff and Martin career will be seen. I am sure most, except the Kenny haters, will say they saw improvement this year over the last two years in his game. I think we have seen improvement in Lyons and TU. Anyone want to dismiss TU game this year over the last couple?

Staten was in his first season so how can anyone talk about improvement. I do remember Chris Wright (the most recent messiah) can not be said to improved under Gregory unless 10.4 per game to 13.2 his senior year with 5.7 to 7.3 rebounds and a FT percentage that went from 80 to 60 percent his last year unless this is the type of improvement dayton expected. Then there is the "Jacksonville Jet," if you call playing between 31 and 37 minutes per game each season and still maxed out at 4.5 points per game average. Now I know some will point out over his 4 years he did increase his FT shooting from 54% to 58% but he was only a point guard so maybe that is not important.

Coaches are given too much credit for improvements and too much for disappointments when most of it is the players.

Coaches create the atmosphere for success and Chris (50-17) has only two years to point to while Brian had 6 years 125-68 I will let other to the math.

[madness31]

I don't spend a lot of time reading ESPN articles so I may have missed the comparison of Latham to Brown but that seems like a foolish comparison. I know there were comments about him being the next X forward in the NBA so maybe that is what is being referenced.

Latham looked like he had stone feet whenever he was in the game. Brown never looked that way at any point in his career. Brown was always an explosive athlete.

[RONALD78]

The players and/or the coaches made the wrong choices for whatever reasons. The correct fit was not there and the players choose to leave/or maybe were told to leave. Every player that comes to Xavier is not going to work out for whatever reason(s). Can we just let the players go and quit beating up on the players and or coaches(their selections). Let us dwell on what Xavier has within the program and quit worrying about who has left the program. X can only work with those that chose to stay and be team members.

[DannyV76]

When Xavier got Adrion Graves I was excited with the skill set he was bringing to Xavier. He seemed like a throw back "UC" type physical player who had nice range with his jump shot. I know he had a serious injury his freshman year and the academic transition also was a bit of a struggle which set him back. I was really surprised he didn't work out. David Young was a Skip recruit who seemd to struggle when Matta came on board. I remember he was taken in the NBA draft but forget which school he transferred to?

[XUFan09]

I recall hearing that Adrian was a practice star and the best 3pt shooter on the team (Considering that he played with Doellman, Duncan, Burrell, and Lavender, that's pretty good). It just never translated to the game very well, sadly. From what I've heard, he's at least had some success as a big-time player at a lower level, which is good to hear.

[gundun]

As I recall, David Young went to North Carolina Central University after he got his degree from X.

[gundun]

It appears that Reed has left SLU
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/ ... 1d518.html

[XUFan09]

Concerning transfers, an article from early March that is still very pertinent:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... fers_N.htm

There were 305 transfers after the 06-07 season, and the number is up to 367 after the 09-10 season. With 346 Division I schools, that's an average of just under a transfer per school in 2007 and just over a transfer per school in 2010. As an individual school, it's a small sample size, but less than one more transfer than the 2010 average is nothing crazy. If this begins an annual trend, that's a different story, but right now we have two data points:

2009-2010: 0 transfers
2010-2011: 2 transfers

That's hardly something to freak out about, and it actually falls in line with the national average over a two-year period (albeit too small of a sample size to really be valid).

[Joel]

Concerning transfers, an article from early March that is still very pertinent:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... fers_N.htm

There were 305 transfers after the 06-07 season, and the number is up to 367 after the 09-10 season. With 346 Division I schools, that's an average of just under a transfer per school in 2007 and just over a transfer per school in 2010. As an individual school, it's a small sample size, but less than one more transfer than the 2010 average is nothing crazy. If this begins an annual trend, that's a different story, but right now we have two data points:

2009-2010: 0 transfers
2010-2011: 2 transfers

That's hardly something to freak out about, and it actually falls in line with the national average over a two-year period (albeit too small of a sample size to really be valid).

I like the cut of your jib.