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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby xaviermuskie2003 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:49 pm

X-lucidity wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Concur with most of AH’s diatribe earlier. SM is a top 5% overall D-1 coach. We can nit-pic, (as AH can’t help doing), but them’s the facts.
Sean Miller is nowhere close to a Top 5% coach. He was fired from his prior job and his former team has prospered without him.

Bill Self
Tom Izzo
Mark Few
Tommy Lloyd
Kelvin Sampson
John Calipari
Hubert Davis
Mick Cronin
Bob Huggins
Rick Pitino
Scott Drew
Jim Boeheim
Tony Bennett
Bruce Pearl
Eric Musselman
Rick Barnes
Shaka Smart
Leonard Hamilton
Matt Painter
Chris Holtmann
Brad Underwood
Ed Cooley
Dana Altmann
Randy Bennett
Greg McDermott
Porter Moser
Frank Martin
Wayne Tinkle

This is probably not the complete list.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby Kevin Reilly » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:18 pm

Miller easily is in the top 5% of division 1 coaches. I think most rational people would consider him in the top 10 coaches in Division I. Lloyd( 52-7) give me a break. Even with your list I would put Miller in the top 8 easily probably higher. Not sure who you are or if you are a Xavier guy but if you hate Miller so much do us all a favor and stay off the board.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby Timeless » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:28 pm

come on 2003 we know you are Thadd Matta and hate that Miller has a better job than you.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby xaviermuskie2003 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:34 pm

Kevin Reilly wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:18 pm
Miller easily is in the top 5% of division 1 coaches. I think most rational people would consider him in the top 10 coaches in Division I. Lloyd( 52-7) give me a break. Even with your list I would put Miller in the top 8 easily probably higher. Not sure who you are or if you are a Xavier guy but if you hate Miller so much do us all a favor and stay off the board.
You should follow college basketball more.

If Miller is so great, why was he fired from Arizona? Schools dont fire top 5% coaches.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby xaviermuskie2003 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:35 pm

Timeless wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:28 pm
come on 2003 we know you are Thadd Matta and hate that Miller has a better job than you.
Good catch. I left Matta off the list.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby Timeless » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:41 pm

muskieman dump this guy and his crap.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby xaviermuskie2003 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:06 pm

Timeless wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:41 pm
muskieman dump this guy and his crap.
Huh?

I'm talking college hoops. Miller was handed a talented and very veteran team and has done well thus far.

He got fired and his former team has taken off without him. Sorry if that angers you.

It would be a bad look if the mods banned me for legit basketball discussion after allowing 2 years of personal attacks on our prior coach without consequences.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby muskieman » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:28 am

xaviermuskie2003 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:06 pm
Timeless wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:41 pm
muskieman dump this guy and his crap.
Huh?

I'm talking college hoops. Miller was handed a talented and very veteran team and has done well thus far.

He got fired and his former team has taken off without him. Sorry if that angers you.

It would be a bad look if the mods banned me for legit basketball discussion after allowing 2 years of personal attacks on our prior coach without consequences.
So now you are telling the mods what a bad look is? You have been warned to stop your attacks on our coach when the information that the FBI and now the NCAA have provided about the Arizona situation and that Miller was not guilty of any violations. You claim Book was the fall guy despite the information that Book was trying to get money for players when in fact he was doing it for his own gain and just so happened to pick a couple of FBI agents as his marks.

Arizona in its desperate attempt to avoid penalties made a knee ***** firing of Miller which was a benefit in the long run for Xavier. I have been accused of being a Steele sycophant by some here, but I feel that while Travis had some positive moments in his tenure, it was not enough to retain him when Sean's name became available. I appreciate the good things Travis gave to the Xavier program but in the end it was not enough.

As for 2 years of attacks on our prior coach, you do not know what was allowed and what was not allowed so don't go lecturing me or any mod. There are people on here that will tell you that they also were warned and suspended after straying too far from decorum. They too beat a dead horse, and it is their problem that they cannot get past that history. They too have and will continue to be warned and have their posts deleted when they pontificate. I and the real mods try very hard to give everyone a voice, but trolls only detract from the board, and you only have to look to other boards to see it is a problem there too.

You can have your opinion, and you have expressed it time after time to the point you have beaten that horse so much that you have become a one-trick pony. There is a limit to your idea of what the truth is so again I will warn you not to pick fights with people just because you liked Travis and hate Miller and don't try in hide it in some of your vague left-handed compliments

BTW your list is as bogus as your complaints. Experts agree that Miller is not only a very good and solid coach but a good to a great recruiter and in-game coach. So let's talk facts: At X The Musketeers won 120 of the 167 games he coached over a 5-year span. Miller also owns two of Xavier’s eight Sweet 16 appearances and guided the program to just its second Elite Eight during a 2007-08 season it finished with a 30-7 record. Miller took X to four NCAA tournaments, in addition to winning three A-10 regular season championships and one conference tournament championship. In the 2008 NCAA tournament, the 3rd-seeded Musketeers were eliminated in the Elite Eight by #1 seed UCLA, while in 2009, they were eliminated in the Sweet 16 by another #1 seed, Pittsburgh.

At Arizona within three months of joining the program, Miller assembled a recruiting class ranked #12 in the nation by Scout.com Miller won 73.5% of Zona games over his 12 seasons as head coach, including runs to the Elite Eight in 2011, 2014, and 2015. He also won 30 or more games on four separate occasions. As far as recruiting Miller reeled in elite talent throughout his tenure. Arizona received commitments from 22 prospects rated as five stars by 247Sports since 2003. Sixteen of those five stars committed to Miller. Eight of those 22 prospects were also ranked top 10 recruits nationally. Six chose the Wildcats under Miller’s watch. I could go on and name some of these players, but then I would be piling on.

Miller has won five league Coach of the Year Awards: once in the A10, three in the Pac-12, and once as USA Basketball Coach of the Year

Those are the facts about Sean Miller as head coach, and you know what he has done this year
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby kyzrex » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:06 am

He was handed a veteran team that had vastly underperformed over the last few years. They are now possibly over performing, certainly on offense and in the record. He has recruited one of the top classes in the country for next year, even though he got a late start. He has brought back excitement to Cintas and made it a home court advantage again. IMO he has done an EXCELLENT job so far this year. I don’t know what more could been expected this year at this point.
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Re: Creighton Game thread

Postby longliveskip » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:06 am

xaviermuskie2003 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:49 pm
X-lucidity wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:01 pm
Concur with most of AH’s diatribe earlier. SM is a top 5% overall D-1 coach. We can nit-pic, (as AH can’t help doing), but them’s the facts.
Sean Miller is nowhere close to a Top 5% coach. He was fired from his prior job and his former team has prospered without him.

Bill Self
Tom Izzo
Mark Few
Tommy Lloyd
Kelvin Sampson
John Calipari
Hubert Davis
Mick Cronin
Bob Huggins
Rick Pitino
Scott Drew
Jim Boeheim
Tony Bennett
Bruce Pearl
Eric Musselman
Rick Barnes
Shaka Smart
Leonard Hamilton
Matt Painter
Chris Holtmann
Brad Underwood
Ed Cooley
Dana Altmann
Randy Bennett
Greg McDermott
Porter Moser
Frank Martin
Wayne Tinkle

This is probably not the complete list.
you have 28 coaches on this list. top 5% of NCAA D1 would put Sean in the top 17. i can eliminate 10 of these names that Miller is better than:

Hubert Davis (what has he done as UNC's coach to prove he's in the top 5%.)
Rick Pitino - no reason he should be on there.
Boeheim - he's been DONE for years.
Pearl - there's a dude who's actually been CAUGHT for cheating in the past.
Musselman? C'mon, man
Shaka? nice try
McDermott? Miller is better.
Porter Moser? one great run does not make him better.
Frank Martin. not even close
Wayne Tinkle. just stop.

There's 10. they're gone. Miller is a top 5% coach.

i just proved it. it's science.

you may go now. your Miller bias/criticism is just over the top. if you ever had anything POSITIVE to say to balance it out, then this board may keep you on.

Mman, do what you do.

Xavier nation and this board don't need this guy.

Godspeed, 03.

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