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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby asmithxu » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:00 pm

xubrew wrote:sampson is in a lot more trouble than iu is, especially since the restrictions weren't levied on iu in the first place. they agreed to adopt the restrictions when they hired him as coach. it's not as if nothing is going to happen to them. i'd expect them to have the number of recruiting contacts limited and they'll possibly lose a scholarship. however, they won't receive a postseason ban, much less a TWO year ban. i'd also be surprised if the recruiting restrictions levied on IU will last for more than one year. their program is spotless, but even if it wasn't i don't think this would warrant a postseason ban.

keep in mind that indiana has until may to respond. they're are ncaa compliance officers on IU's campus. whatever IU comes up with as being an appropriate punishment for itself probably won't be expanded on by the ncaa. it usually isn't. they're not in THAT much trouble. i seriously doubt it's enough to discourage a candidate from taking the job.
Agreed. You said it well.... Sampson is in more trouble than IU. They will certainly receive some restrictions and probably lose a scholarship for a couple years, but it is unlikely that it will be more than that.

I hope Miller does not go to IU, but you definitely cannot rule out the possibility. I understand that he loves it here and is clearly in a great situation, but it impossible to entirely rule out the opportunity to coach at one of the nation's flagship schools.
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby muskieman » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:06 pm

mhettel wrote:How about this for a doomsday scenario.....

Sampson fired for obvious reasons
AD fired for hiring Sampson
Administration looking for AD and Head Coach that have proven track record of success, doing it the right way.
Bobo and Miller to IU.

that would suck
Way to ruin my night. Thad went to osu when they were under investigation.


Sean will concentrate on this year and let next year take care of itself.


Bobo has had other look at him and he has stayed. I will just add a few prayers
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby tacitus » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:25 pm

What I envision: They both get offers. The both decline. Xavier is no longer viewed as a stepping stone for those working their way up the D1 BB ladder.
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Postby wkrq59 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:49 am

AD fired for hiring Sampson

MHettel--
Don't think the AD hired Sampson. I think it was the former president who's a big IU hoops fan who did the deed. In fact, I believe the AD wanted to hire someone else and the prexy said "Nah, Bubba Nah."
I have my doubts that either Bobinski or Miller are going anywhere. Bobinski is at the top of his profession and he and Miller have turned Xavier from a "Pad your resume and move on" job to a destination job.
There are more important things than money at Xavier for Sean Miller. He already has an insight as to what has happened to Matta's three predecessors --Staak, Gillen and Skip. Matta himself is teetering on a year without an NCAA appearance.
Oh, and make no mistake about it, IU is in deep sh!t. They imposed scholy limits on themselves, but the NCAA isn't done with its investigation. And remember, Ohio State put itself on a one-year, no postseason play penalty. Also remember this. The great numbers of dollars that supposedly await the next IU coach might be a whole lot less than the so-called experts and pundits think.
Also, IU will lose its two best players to the pros as soon as it's season ends. Whoever the new coach is will have difficulty recruiting. And when Sampson is fired, every recruit he has signed for next season is free to walk away from that LOI and go elsewhere. And many of the underclassmenat IU will be seeking transfers. They may win a Big Ten title this season and do well in the NCAA. But the future looks very dim. Besides, for the longest time this season, their only loss was a 15-point spanking by Xavier on a neutral court.
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby joeybaloney » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:03 am

anyone who thinks miller wouldn't leave x to go to iu is naive. iu is one of the top 5 coaching jobs in college basketball. more money, more exposure, easier recruiting, etc. it's fascinating reading how some of you try to paint this romantic picture of miller staying at x to build something great. he'll be on the next train to bloomington if they come calling.
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby tacitus » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:22 am

at least you don't have to worry about someone stealing whatshisname up I75. you guys would need a 20 win season before he could even make a lateral move to a solid team like Gardner Web. Well... that would actually be a clear step up. They've at least won in the post season recently.

And it seems that X does fine in recruiting. For instance, we get all the best players from Dayton. But I guess that is easy when we are the closest D-1 school to that dying town. Miller also makes a pretty dime and will get a significant raise after this year. X has also gotten a LOT of exposure this year (and over the last decade) for being a team that burst the mid major mold... is IU elite historically? Yes! Is the Big 10 usually a solid league? Yes! Is IU or the Big 10 necessarily all that much better than X and the A10 this year? Nope... Got to go with the times. X has been on a steady rise since the early 90s or so, whereas other teams aren't. There's a team up I75 that has been on a steady free fall since the 50s or 60s... I can't quite remember the name... we used to play them though. They just stopped showing up.

Truth be told, you guys would love to see Miller leave, only because it will have been your only chance to rub something in our faces in a long time, seeing as how we swept you last year and will do the same this year.
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby realxfan » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:38 am

Does Sampson have a scapegoat ala John Loyer like Huggins did when UC got slapped with lack of institutional control?
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby xuhuh! » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:48 am

tacitus wrote:What I envision: They both get offers. The both decline. Xavier is no longer viewed as a stepping stone for those working their way up the D1 BB ladder.
yes, tacitus, expansion of the cintas center on horizon!
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby joeybaloney » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am

actually, i hope miller stays at x. a strong xavier program is good for the a-10, thus good for my flyers. if miller were to leave, hopefully the administration finds an adequate replacement. the wrong hire could prove disastrous for x.
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Re: Miller/ IU speculators...

Postby xubrew » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:57 am

Oh, and make no mistake about it, IU is in deep sh!t. They imposed scholy limits on themselves, but the NCAA isn't done with its investigation. And remember, Ohio State put itself on a one-year, no postseason play penalty
people keep comparing the current situation at indiana to the situation at ohio state. there is no comparison. the violations aren't even similiar in nature. in terms of the severity, indiana got a speeding ticket. ohio state drove while intoxicated and slammed into an oncoming car. if ohio state is the guage here, then indiana is in even less trouble than what even i was saying. the ncaa's "investigation" has involved informing indiana of the violations, and then giving them until may to respond. the ncaa is not currently digging for further violations, and i seriously doubt the ncaa suspects IU did anything else wrong other than what's already on the table. the case will most likely close when iu gets back with the ncaa and imposes whatever they decide to impose on themselves.

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