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Re: Transfers

Postby X-Expert » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:44 pm

I need a translator to understand what MM is attempting to say. The quotes are not correct and the first sentence is grammatically incorrect. Therefore, I will give my take and it somewhat agrees with MM. He is right that we are not at practices to give a definitive opinion here. I hope that this same advise is taken when he and others have opinions without the benefit of being at practices but I digress. I don't know what is right or wrong-coaches or players. I do know that they had 4 schollys last year and we will never know how 2 will turn out. At best, we will get 50% production out of this class. Not saying good or bad just stating the FACTS. I would assume the coaches know what is best. Like others have said, given the lack of depth, if these guys could not help us, what must Providence be thinking as I hear that is where Canty is likely going.
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skyhops wrote:I think we can all admit that Canty should have seen more PT at the end of the season especially with his defensive ability. Robinson played the 3 the last two games and was not effective. More I can understand, but two in the same class causes concern.
I think your 'all" is a little premature. I wish Canty might have seen more playing time toward the end of the season but wishing doesn't mean SHOULD. I guess you were at the practices to make such a definitive statement and saw something the coaching staff didn't see.
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Re: Transfers

Postby sonofamuskie » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:09 pm

If we can get Kyle Anderson, Mack has just got one hell of a player. He somewhat reminds me of Reggie Miller, long and lanky, but smooth and just dead on. Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9CCWmRi ... re=related

I think he could really make any team he goes to so much more. ;)
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Re: Transfers

Postby Joel » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:27 pm

I love watching Twitter when big news like this goes down. Frankly, it didn't exactly blow up today; none of the other guys on the team even mentioned it. I'm with MuskieMan on this one; I don't think losing these two is going to go down as a big moment in Xavier history. Coach Mack has two scholarships in hand right now, and I doubt he's going to let those go to waste.

Frankly, I don't think Canty can't be replaced by what we have on the roster right now. Others above me have made the points about Wells, Martin, Holloway, Lyons, Davis, and Redford all battling for the minutes that Canty wanted. I do think we need someone to replace the bulk Latham brought to the table; as we pointed out earlier, nobody outside of Big Kenny on the current roster is that broad through the shoulders. If Mack can bring in a big-body real-estate guy (someone like a Jason Love), these transfers probably won't hurt us.

Finally, look at who is lining up to get these guys before shedding tears over their departures. Providence was 15-17 last year and 4-14 in the Big East. If similarly bad schools end up taking Latham and Canty, I think it says more good than bad about Xavier's program.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Xpert » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:31 pm

thewoodslives wrote:
muskieman wrote:
skyhops wrote:I think we can all admit that Canty should have seen more PT at the end of the season especially with his defensive ability. Robinson played the 3 the last two games and was not effective. More I can understand, but two in the same class causes concern.
I think your 'all" is a little premature. I wish Canty might have seen more playing time toward the end of the season but wishing doesn't mean SHOULD. I guess you were at the practices to make such a definitive statement and saw something the coaching staff didn't see.
YOU'RE RIGHT MUSKIEMAN. YOU MUST HAVE BEEN AT THE PRACTICES, SINCE ANYONE ON HERE WHO SAYS ANYTHING THAT ISN'T KISSING MACK'S BEHINDS YOU REPRIMAND THEM AS ONLY A GOOD DEN MOTHER KNOWS HOW. THIS WAS A GREAT RECRUITING CLASS BY ALL MEANS, GREAT JOB COACH MACK. 4 FRESHMAN, 1 INELIGIBLE, AND 3 WHO NEVER PLAYED. NOW 2 ARE LEAVING, YES MUSKIEMAN THIS IS INDEED A FRESHMAN CLASS TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY......

I don’t think MM was suggesting that he was at the practices. Rather, he was pointing out that right now, none of us know the whole situation, which is true.

As Q already pointed out, this isn’t the first time that something like this has happened.

As Rosey pointed out, which seems rather logical, Canty very well could have been worried about playing time. It has happened before.

Latham apparently was homesick (shocker) was having some trouble with academics, and from his own admission stated he needed to work harder.

Wish they would have stayed, and extend nothing but the best intentions their way but this isn’t the end of the world.
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Re: Transfers

Postby XUFan09 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:49 pm

I disagree with the description of having a 50% productive class. That makes it sound like we got two players for the price of four, when they did practice with the team this past year and get a few minutes of playing time and now the coaching staff has two scholarships to use elsewhere. It's not like we lose those two scholarships for the next three years. Also, would we really be concerned if just one person was transferring (which happens all the time everywhere)? Now it's one more transfer than what is perfectly normal, and suddenly it's a disaster. Considering that playing time is the most common transfer reason in general, we're going to see more high-profile transfers in the future. Before, Xavier's best players were always the seniors and then juniors. Underclassmen generally understood that opportunities would open up as their older teammates graduated. They didn't usually have to worry about strong competition from the classes after them, but now they do.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Mr. Neutral » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:06 pm

Obviously, neither guy got much PT, especially Latham, but I saw potential in both. I'm sorry they're leaving, but they see a PT backlog next year, so best wishes to them. I hope they're right, and the incoming players (frosh, Taylor and Martin) are good enough that neither Canty nor Latham would have been significant contributors.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:07 pm

Pierre Dracot wrote:No matter how you cut it, it's on the coach. At best, he wasted two valuable scholarships/roster spots due to poor judgment; at worst, he failed to give players a reasonable shake when it came to playing time. It's all the more inexcusable, given that Xavier's bench was ridiculously short--to the point that it eliminated any chance of success in the post-season. A team with three or four productive players, each of whom plays 40 minutes per game, is a recipe for disaster. That's how I characterize Xavier's last two games: a disaster.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:11 pm

Theology73 wrote:
joe abe wrote:Canty and Latham are gonners!!!Good or not so good???
Looks like everyone else focused on the "not so good". The good is having two scholarships available. I believe this coaching staff has the talent to make the most of that opportunity.
Yup, that's what I thought when Posey, Brown, and Crawford left the program.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Mr. Neutral » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:13 pm

What?? A high-major Div. I team that had a non-productive recruiting class?????? How can that happen??

Actually, it happens all the time. Where you have problems is if you have successive unproductive classes. I don't see that happening, unless our incoming recruits, Taylor and Martin have been VASTLY overrated.
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Re: Transfers

Postby Anti-Homer » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:14 pm

Prosserian wrote:Sure, you can't predict how players will adapt or fit into a system, and new recruits can always change things. However, the end affect is not good when multiple players transfer in the course of the year, and I do think that communication to the players (aka kids) is crucial. I can't determine how much is the coaching staff's fault, but I'm not ready to absolve them of any responsibility like some have already.
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